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	<title>Comments on: O&#8217;Bon: Say &#8220;No&#8221; to Wood Pencils</title>
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		<title>By: Battle of the eco pencils &#171; Bleistift</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-38502</link>
		<dc:creator>Battle of the eco pencils &#171; Bleistift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 08:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by the fact that I received the O&#8217;Bon pencils without having to pay for them. You can find a review of O&#8217;Bon pencils at pencil talk. e.g. FSC, PEFC [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by the fact that I received the O&#8217;Bon pencils without having to pay for them. You can find a review of O&#8217;Bon pencils at pencil talk. e.g. FSC, PEFC [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lexikaliker &#187; Blog-Archiv &#187; Schrift zu Stift</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexikaliker &#187; Blog-Archiv &#187; Schrift zu Stift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in Mainz angeschlossen ist, fielen mir diese Bleistifte auf. Ebenso wie die Stifte von O&#8217;Bon wurden auch diese aus Zeitungspapier hergestellt, laut Anbieter jedoch ausschließlich aus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in Mainz angeschlossen ist, fielen mir diese Bleistifte auf. Ebenso wie die Stifte von O&#8217;Bon wurden auch diese aus Zeitungspapier hergestellt, laut Anbieter jedoch ausschließlich aus [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Sandy,

You&#039;re probably right that I like to digress a lot but at the same time I think we can see a lot more of the world if we try to relate together seemingly unlike things. I say this because in the end there is a huge balance sheet behind everything that is manufactured but unfortunately we often miss it as it becomes buried under marketing, news media, and politics. For the most part, all we see is the finished product and the convenience or good vibe we get from it. One way around this is to look at parallel examples.

And as far as you getting bored... hmm... that&#039;s an odd thing to say when you started off your comment telling me how you really enjoy reading my input. (??) I&#039;m just happy to be here instead of somewhere else.

-- Boris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Sandy,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably right that I like to digress a lot but at the same time I think we can see a lot more of the world if we try to relate together seemingly unlike things. I say this because in the end there is a huge balance sheet behind everything that is manufactured but unfortunately we often miss it as it becomes buried under marketing, news media, and politics. For the most part, all we see is the finished product and the convenience or good vibe we get from it. One way around this is to look at parallel examples.</p>
<p>And as far as you getting bored&#8230; hmm&#8230; that&#8217;s an odd thing to say when you started off your comment telling me how you really enjoy reading my input. (??) I&#8217;m just happy to be here instead of somewhere else.</p>
<p>&#8211; Boris</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31798</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Boris,
     I really enjoy reading your input on topics like SUV&#039;s and CRT TV&#039;s but what does that have to do with recycled pencils.  We don&#039;t care how many miles per gallon of gas you get in your Hyundai. It sounds like you really know what your talking about, some times, but at least stay on point and don&#039;t bring up obvious facts are not relevant to this debate. Oh and by the way, try to keep your comments shorter so I don&#039;t get bored reading about random stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Boris,<br />
     I really enjoy reading your input on topics like SUV&#8217;s and CRT TV&#8217;s but what does that have to do with recycled pencils.  We don&#8217;t care how many miles per gallon of gas you get in your Hyundai. It sounds like you really know what your talking about, some times, but at least stay on point and don&#8217;t bring up obvious facts are not relevant to this debate. Oh and by the way, try to keep your comments shorter so I don&#8217;t get bored reading about random stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: penciladmin</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31796</link>
		<dc:creator>penciladmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve tried to search around for further information to educate myself about wood vs. recycled paper pencils, and can&#039;t find much. 

I have a theory as to why this is - the pencil industry is likely too minor compared to other wood product users (paper, construction lumber, etc.) to warrant dedicated attention from environmental researchers.

The Timberlines blog did once mention (linked in the post) a study by Arthur D. Little (a management consultant) on some of these very issues.

As summarized, the study suggested that woodcase pencils are more environmentally friendly than recycled pencils in aspects such as consumption of water and energy, emission of suspended solids, solid waste creation, and hazardous waste creation.

Recycled pencils did better at raw material consumption, carbon monoxide emission, and organic pollutants.

(There were other categories in the study as well.) 

The extensive discussion here was engaging. I&#039;ve appreciated the amount of effort than has gone into some of these comments. The blog format doesn&#039;t necessarily encourage lengthy statements, and I&#039;d like to express my thanks to those who took the time to contribute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried to search around for further information to educate myself about wood vs. recycled paper pencils, and can&#8217;t find much. </p>
<p>I have a theory as to why this is &#8211; the pencil industry is likely too minor compared to other wood product users (paper, construction lumber, etc.) to warrant dedicated attention from environmental researchers.</p>
<p>The Timberlines blog did once mention (linked in the post) a study by Arthur D. Little (a management consultant) on some of these very issues.</p>
<p>As summarized, the study suggested that woodcase pencils are more environmentally friendly than recycled pencils in aspects such as consumption of water and energy, emission of suspended solids, solid waste creation, and hazardous waste creation.</p>
<p>Recycled pencils did better at raw material consumption, carbon monoxide emission, and organic pollutants.</p>
<p>(There were other categories in the study as well.) </p>
<p>The extensive discussion here was engaging. I&#8217;ve appreciated the amount of effort than has gone into some of these comments. The blog format doesn&#8217;t necessarily encourage lengthy statements, and I&#8217;d like to express my thanks to those who took the time to contribute.</p>
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		<title>By: Patriotjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31769</link>
		<dc:creator>Patriotjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought, maybe someone could ask Woodchuck as it is noted he is a knowledgeable and respected wood pencil manufacturer.  How much government &quot;help&quot; does he receive from these imported pencils?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought, maybe someone could ask Woodchuck as it is noted he is a knowledgeable and respected wood pencil manufacturer.  How much government &#8220;help&#8221; does he receive from these imported pencils?</p>
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		<title>By: Patriotjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31768</link>
		<dc:creator>Patriotjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris,
Thanks for all the advice on how to set up a tree-chopping, wood pencil business with your detailed recommended prices, but you miss my sarcasm.  I&#039;m totally committed to recycling and the environment - taking an old throw away, used up newspaper headed for a landfill, and giving that waste a new life. Even if I could earn a fortune from collecting the 114% duty from Chinese wood pencils, I would consider it dirty. I just wonder what the few remaining tree chopping pencil companies are raking in.  My point is that there are millions of pencils flooding our market from China.  Each pencil is assessed 114%.  How much do these companies make?  Can someone look at this? 
I am not interested in manufacturing  wood pencils.  I think you and I have had enough conversations for you to know this.
I agree that the shipping (and the environomental impact) is an issue and we look forward to turning America&#039;s used Wall Street Journals into beautiful O&#039;BON pencils. This is our dream...and as you have heard...Yes We Can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris,<br />
Thanks for all the advice on how to set up a tree-chopping, wood pencil business with your detailed recommended prices, but you miss my sarcasm.  I&#8217;m totally committed to recycling and the environment &#8211; taking an old throw away, used up newspaper headed for a landfill, and giving that waste a new life. Even if I could earn a fortune from collecting the 114% duty from Chinese wood pencils, I would consider it dirty. I just wonder what the few remaining tree chopping pencil companies are raking in.  My point is that there are millions of pencils flooding our market from China.  Each pencil is assessed 114%.  How much do these companies make?  Can someone look at this?<br />
I am not interested in manufacturing  wood pencils.  I think you and I have had enough conversations for you to know this.<br />
I agree that the shipping (and the environomental impact) is an issue and we look forward to turning America&#8217;s used Wall Street Journals into beautiful O&#8217;BON pencils. This is our dream&#8230;and as you have heard&#8230;Yes We Can.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31732</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patriotjohn,

I don&#039;t know how much money is being collected through the tariff and it may warrant some investigation. If, as you said, it is some lucrative amount that is being collected and dispersed then you may just have to start a wooden pencil manufacturing business here in the US. Pick a state with low taxes and cheap land. Harvest the forest responsibly (like a good farmer with his fields of corn) and make a good quality alternative to the Dixon Ticonderoga. Price it somewhere between $0.14-$0.17 per pencil and find a way to get it on the shelves of a major retailer. Use that to start up your recycled paper based pencil manufacturing and price that somewhere around $0.22-$0.30. You&#039;d still be way ahead in terms of pricing than where you are today.

Take a softer approach to the wooden pencil. After all, how much bashing of big SUVs do you hear from the Smart or Mini cars? Very little if any at all. They poke fun but that&#039;s different. Humor usually works. Instead, they promote their best qualities (size and fuel economy) in some cute way and leave it at that. Otherwise, it starts a war like Ford vs. Chevy and that is never healthy. Also, be careful if the FTC decides to follow up on any negatively perceived claims coming from a newly subsidized business that receives all this wonderful money from tariffs!

Our company offers many industrial plant monitoring systems and methods. The industry has standards and expectations. We always try to offer something better than what is the norm and we always promote new technologies to our customers. However, if the customer really really really wants an old fashioned solution then we have to offer that too. If we didn&#039;t offer it then we would have no credibility. It would seem like we are pushing our own solution not because it&#039;s better but because we don&#039;t have anything else. We would seemingly have a small portfolio and less knowledge of the industry. It would tarnish our image of being experts in the field.

Your recycled pencils would be made with local materials that were originally made using a cleaner process regulated by the EPA. Furthermore, your recycling process will also be cleaner due to the cleaner power used to operate your plant. I don&#039;t know if you saw the latest news article about China&#039;s greenhouse gases.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080403/pl_nm/usa_china_paulson_dc;_ylt=AlIDs2KftfvFjR00tO_lJW2s0NUE

Finally, there would be no transportation across the Pacific. I think you will be many steps ahead in terms of having a &quot;greener&quot; product. 

Your wooden pencil could be innovative too if you can find some new method of responsibly harvesting the wood, working with conservation groups that replant forests (and touting it on your packaging), or find some new way to make the pencils faster, cheaper, and better. The break-less pencil? Perhaps a new graphite mixture? A ferrule-less wooden pencil? I don&#039;t know. There&#039;s tons of ideas out there.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriotjohn,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much money is being collected through the tariff and it may warrant some investigation. If, as you said, it is some lucrative amount that is being collected and dispersed then you may just have to start a wooden pencil manufacturing business here in the US. Pick a state with low taxes and cheap land. Harvest the forest responsibly (like a good farmer with his fields of corn) and make a good quality alternative to the Dixon Ticonderoga. Price it somewhere between $0.14-$0.17 per pencil and find a way to get it on the shelves of a major retailer. Use that to start up your recycled paper based pencil manufacturing and price that somewhere around $0.22-$0.30. You&#8217;d still be way ahead in terms of pricing than where you are today.</p>
<p>Take a softer approach to the wooden pencil. After all, how much bashing of big SUVs do you hear from the Smart or Mini cars? Very little if any at all. They poke fun but that&#8217;s different. Humor usually works. Instead, they promote their best qualities (size and fuel economy) in some cute way and leave it at that. Otherwise, it starts a war like Ford vs. Chevy and that is never healthy. Also, be careful if the FTC decides to follow up on any negatively perceived claims coming from a newly subsidized business that receives all this wonderful money from tariffs!</p>
<p>Our company offers many industrial plant monitoring systems and methods. The industry has standards and expectations. We always try to offer something better than what is the norm and we always promote new technologies to our customers. However, if the customer really really really wants an old fashioned solution then we have to offer that too. If we didn&#8217;t offer it then we would have no credibility. It would seem like we are pushing our own solution not because it&#8217;s better but because we don&#8217;t have anything else. We would seemingly have a small portfolio and less knowledge of the industry. It would tarnish our image of being experts in the field.</p>
<p>Your recycled pencils would be made with local materials that were originally made using a cleaner process regulated by the EPA. Furthermore, your recycling process will also be cleaner due to the cleaner power used to operate your plant. I don&#8217;t know if you saw the latest news article about China&#8217;s greenhouse gases.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080403/pl_nm/usa_china_paulson_dc;_ylt=AlIDs2KftfvFjR00tO_lJW2s0NUE" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080403/pl_nm/usa_china_paulson_dc;_ylt=AlIDs2KftfvFjR00tO_lJW2s0NUE</a></p>
<p>Finally, there would be no transportation across the Pacific. I think you will be many steps ahead in terms of having a &#8220;greener&#8221; product. </p>
<p>Your wooden pencil could be innovative too if you can find some new method of responsibly harvesting the wood, working with conservation groups that replant forests (and touting it on your packaging), or find some new way to make the pencils faster, cheaper, and better. The break-less pencil? Perhaps a new graphite mixture? A ferrule-less wooden pencil? I don&#8217;t know. There&#8217;s tons of ideas out there.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Patriotjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31711</link>
		<dc:creator>Patriotjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris
Thanks for your supportive comments.  It is really appreciated.  We are considering the lobby approach, but long term we are looking at manufacturing here in the US.  This would be great and we are looking forward to our expansion in the US to make this viable.  We would like to bring our production capacity to the US, but we need to achieve about a 10 - 20 million pencil sale to make this economical.  As our energy consumption is very low (we don&#039;t have to chop up a tree into small pieces), and our manufacturing cost (machinery) is not so high, we just might be able to do this in 2009 or 2010. This will make us and a lot of you guys happy.
We feel, as you do, it isn&#039;t so fair that an environmental company like O&#039;BON has to support those industries chopping down our trees. Since there are so few of these tree pencil business left, I wonder how much money they get every year.  How many companies get this money?  Does anyone know?
If China is flooding this market with cheap wood pencils and there are only 2 US manufacturers, maybe someone should start a wood pencil business to receive all this money?  Could it be in the millions? It just might be that lucrative....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris<br />
Thanks for your supportive comments.  It is really appreciated.  We are considering the lobby approach, but long term we are looking at manufacturing here in the US.  This would be great and we are looking forward to our expansion in the US to make this viable.  We would like to bring our production capacity to the US, but we need to achieve about a 10 &#8211; 20 million pencil sale to make this economical.  As our energy consumption is very low (we don&#8217;t have to chop up a tree into small pieces), and our manufacturing cost (machinery) is not so high, we just might be able to do this in 2009 or 2010. This will make us and a lot of you guys happy.<br />
We feel, as you do, it isn&#8217;t so fair that an environmental company like O&#8217;BON has to support those industries chopping down our trees. Since there are so few of these tree pencil business left, I wonder how much money they get every year.  How many companies get this money?  Does anyone know?<br />
If China is flooding this market with cheap wood pencils and there are only 2 US manufacturers, maybe someone should start a wood pencil business to receive all this money?  Could it be in the millions? It just might be that lucrative&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31688</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patriotjohn,

I have to side with you on this one because I am not a huge fan of many protective tariffs. My company feels the same pain when it tries to export its products to the rest of world. We probably didn&#039;t have much luck lobbying the foreign governments (communist, socialist, and otherwise) so we ended up opening factories and sites in those regions. Just think of the Japanese building Hondas and Toyotas in America. Some of our products and materials are actually built there and imported back to the US. None of them are super high tech - sheet metal, chassis, power supplies, etc. Many of our manufacturing personnel were very suspicious about this and they were afraid that their jobs were going to be outsourced with the products. It turns out that the outsourcing was a huge relief because it freed up resources previously dedicated to old tech products to work on new upcoming products. We even went as far as buying a major Chinese company and integrating it into our conglomerate. Who knows, maybe our American business practices and democratic ideals will trickle through the companies we deal with and slowly start some change in those dictatorship? Maybe it&#039;s just wishful thinking...

As long as O&#039;Bon&#039;s products are legally manufactured, imported, and sold then there is no reason you should be dinged. Wooden pencil manufacturers should welcome the competition and match the creativity and ingenuity. Let the free market decide on the position and price of the product. Some manufacturers will rise to the challenge and others will sink.

I suppose your only two options are to lobby the politicians to change the law or to bring your manufacturing facilities over to the US and I&#039;m sure you have probably investigated both options in depth. What are your thoughts on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriotjohn,</p>
<p>I have to side with you on this one because I am not a huge fan of many protective tariffs. My company feels the same pain when it tries to export its products to the rest of world. We probably didn&#8217;t have much luck lobbying the foreign governments (communist, socialist, and otherwise) so we ended up opening factories and sites in those regions. Just think of the Japanese building Hondas and Toyotas in America. Some of our products and materials are actually built there and imported back to the US. None of them are super high tech &#8211; sheet metal, chassis, power supplies, etc. Many of our manufacturing personnel were very suspicious about this and they were afraid that their jobs were going to be outsourced with the products. It turns out that the outsourcing was a huge relief because it freed up resources previously dedicated to old tech products to work on new upcoming products. We even went as far as buying a major Chinese company and integrating it into our conglomerate. Who knows, maybe our American business practices and democratic ideals will trickle through the companies we deal with and slowly start some change in those dictatorship? Maybe it&#8217;s just wishful thinking&#8230;</p>
<p>As long as O&#8217;Bon&#8217;s products are legally manufactured, imported, and sold then there is no reason you should be dinged. Wooden pencil manufacturers should welcome the competition and match the creativity and ingenuity. Let the free market decide on the position and price of the product. Some manufacturers will rise to the challenge and others will sink.</p>
<p>I suppose your only two options are to lobby the politicians to change the law or to bring your manufacturing facilities over to the US and I&#8217;m sure you have probably investigated both options in depth. What are your thoughts on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Patriotjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31686</link>
		<dc:creator>Patriotjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Ripped Off by US Government&quot; article generated some sour comments so i thought an important point (that is in the article) is missed. O&#039;BON would love nothing more than to donate a 114% duty tax to any recycle, environmental or educational US company.  We would be happy to do this.  But to give the money directly to those who chop down 12 to 15 year old incensed cedar trees so they can produce more tree pencils is irratating.  Give the duty to other good guys not the tree choppers. Could we contribute this duty to WWF to help support &quot;Earth Day?&quot; No, we have no choice as the government blindly looks at us as bringing in a pencil....At least our duty isn&#039;t going to building bombs. This would be even more outrageous.  Please understand that we are environmentalist and as such like to reduce, recycle and reuse.
I realize this comment will not be popular to post on a wood pencil site, but O&#039;BON is committed to taking waste (old newspaper) and turning it into something useful (instead of filling up a landfill).  I would think that this would be better appreciated (even here) than it seems to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Ripped Off by US Government&#8221; article generated some sour comments so i thought an important point (that is in the article) is missed. O&#8217;BON would love nothing more than to donate a 114% duty tax to any recycle, environmental or educational US company.  We would be happy to do this.  But to give the money directly to those who chop down 12 to 15 year old incensed cedar trees so they can produce more tree pencils is irratating.  Give the duty to other good guys not the tree choppers. Could we contribute this duty to WWF to help support &#8220;Earth Day?&#8221; No, we have no choice as the government blindly looks at us as bringing in a pencil&#8230;.At least our duty isn&#8217;t going to building bombs. This would be even more outrageous.  Please understand that we are environmentalist and as such like to reduce, recycle and reuse.<br />
I realize this comment will not be popular to post on a wood pencil site, but O&#8217;BON is committed to taking waste (old newspaper) and turning it into something useful (instead of filling up a landfill).  I would think that this would be better appreciated (even here) than it seems to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.penciltalk.org/2008/02/obon-say-no-to-wood-pencils/comment-page-1#comment-31685</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KcD,

It&#039;s interesting that you tell me to give the paper manufacturing process example a rest because the O&#039;Bon pencil is made of... paper. As consumers we see only the final product. We don&#039;t get to see all the processes used to create the product. If we saw the processes used for things we buy then we would have completely different lifestyles. Think of how many more vegetarians would be around if people actually followed a cow from the field to the meat packing plant. Making paper is not a clean process and it certainly isn&#039;t cleaner in China.

Perhaps one way to think of recycling products is this: would you erase a whole sheet of paper in order to save it and reuse it? If you do erase it then you can claim that you saved a piece of paper. However, along the way you burned through a whole eraser doing it. Did you really save anything? Or, did you end up spending more of something else to save a different thing? Was it worth burning through that eraser? That&#039;s the only question and argument I am bringing up with the O&#039;Bon. 

One thing that seems to get little attention with wooden pencils is that they biodegrade beautifully no matter where they end up: in the dump, in a fire, or even on the floor. It&#039;s not like a glass bottle or a tin can that will sit around for hundreds (thousands?) of years. So I say let the pencil shaving go to the landfill. Good luck trying to find them like you would a thrown away wrench.

Yes, for the most part, we all drive cars and I&#039;m just as guilty as anyone for doing this. I try to do my bit by driving a Hyundai and I even traded in my Jeep for it. Additionally, I ride my bike to work at least two days a week. I only fill up my gas tank about once a month. You are totally right in that if people start switching over to more fuel efficient cars that the world be a cleaner place. Secretly, I hope gasoline keeps climbing in price. It would painful for the consumer but people respond much better to pain than rhetoric. 

The Prius carries some controversy along with it&#039;s fuel efficiency. Along with being green, a product needs to be economical. You need to consider the cost of ownership over 10 years, the cost per mile, and the total amount of pollution released during its lifetime. The Prius in many ways is not much more efficient or cleaner than a regular gasoline car. I say this because I average 42 MPG on my Hyundai which costs around $12k less than the Prius and the Honda Civic (which can get wonderful fuel economy if driven correctly) in general is an extremely clean burning car. Neither of these two gasoline cars have big nasty batteries that will one day wear out and require a huge effort to service. Unfortunately, many people compare the Prius to large SUVs like the Cadillace Escalade, Ford Expedition, and Dodge Durango. Almost anything on the market would be better than those huge land yachts. 

Nobody really knows what we&#039;re going to do with all the batteries once they wear out and can no longer effectively hold their charge. There will probably be some sort of recycling program but that&#039;s just another process that will require more energy. Unless it runs on something like solar, get ready to see some more pollution coming from those coal burning plants to run the process while still trying to keep up with the world insatiable appetite for energy.

Hybrids are a great idea and we&#039;re learning a lot through building them and using them but to me it&#039;s another example of making a statement more than making an impact. There are cheaper and easier ways to make the same statement without shelling out $24k: slowing down, driving less, working from home, and car pooling are just a few. Things are slowly changing and it will probably take a generation of people before we can look back far enough to see how far we have come.

In a capitalist society, we are free to spend our money on what we believe in at a price that in the end we agree with. If you think that the O&#039;Bon pencil is great for the statement it makes, for the process used to produce it, and for its overall attractiveness then that is fantastic. You should indeed support the company through your purchases. It keeps the economy moving. Seriously. All I am saying is that I personally don&#039;t believe it, I don&#039;t agree with the price ($0.50 each + S&amp;H), and I question/doubt the validity of their claims. That&#039;s all. If someone gifted me the pencils it&#039;s not like I would throw them away or get an upset stomach.

Seriously, to truly eliminate waste in a pencil sense, we should simply switch over to mechanical pencils and take care of them for 10-15 years. That could be a &quot;significant step&quot; as addressed by ProudOBONConsumer and Senator Kerry. Gone would be the trillions of wooden pencils produced every year around the world. Yet, here we are...

So yes, the debate will continue in more areas than just O&#039;Bon&#039;s pencils. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KcD,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you tell me to give the paper manufacturing process example a rest because the O&#8217;Bon pencil is made of&#8230; paper. As consumers we see only the final product. We don&#8217;t get to see all the processes used to create the product. If we saw the processes used for things we buy then we would have completely different lifestyles. Think of how many more vegetarians would be around if people actually followed a cow from the field to the meat packing plant. Making paper is not a clean process and it certainly isn&#8217;t cleaner in China.</p>
<p>Perhaps one way to think of recycling products is this: would you erase a whole sheet of paper in order to save it and reuse it? If you do erase it then you can claim that you saved a piece of paper. However, along the way you burned through a whole eraser doing it. Did you really save anything? Or, did you end up spending more of something else to save a different thing? Was it worth burning through that eraser? That&#8217;s the only question and argument I am bringing up with the O&#8217;Bon. </p>
<p>One thing that seems to get little attention with wooden pencils is that they biodegrade beautifully no matter where they end up: in the dump, in a fire, or even on the floor. It&#8217;s not like a glass bottle or a tin can that will sit around for hundreds (thousands?) of years. So I say let the pencil shaving go to the landfill. Good luck trying to find them like you would a thrown away wrench.</p>
<p>Yes, for the most part, we all drive cars and I&#8217;m just as guilty as anyone for doing this. I try to do my bit by driving a Hyundai and I even traded in my Jeep for it. Additionally, I ride my bike to work at least two days a week. I only fill up my gas tank about once a month. You are totally right in that if people start switching over to more fuel efficient cars that the world be a cleaner place. Secretly, I hope gasoline keeps climbing in price. It would painful for the consumer but people respond much better to pain than rhetoric. </p>
<p>The Prius carries some controversy along with it&#8217;s fuel efficiency. Along with being green, a product needs to be economical. You need to consider the cost of ownership over 10 years, the cost per mile, and the total amount of pollution released during its lifetime. The Prius in many ways is not much more efficient or cleaner than a regular gasoline car. I say this because I average 42 MPG on my Hyundai which costs around $12k less than the Prius and the Honda Civic (which can get wonderful fuel economy if driven correctly) in general is an extremely clean burning car. Neither of these two gasoline cars have big nasty batteries that will one day wear out and require a huge effort to service. Unfortunately, many people compare the Prius to large SUVs like the Cadillace Escalade, Ford Expedition, and Dodge Durango. Almost anything on the market would be better than those huge land yachts. </p>
<p>Nobody really knows what we&#8217;re going to do with all the batteries once they wear out and can no longer effectively hold their charge. There will probably be some sort of recycling program but that&#8217;s just another process that will require more energy. Unless it runs on something like solar, get ready to see some more pollution coming from those coal burning plants to run the process while still trying to keep up with the world insatiable appetite for energy.</p>
<p>Hybrids are a great idea and we&#8217;re learning a lot through building them and using them but to me it&#8217;s another example of making a statement more than making an impact. There are cheaper and easier ways to make the same statement without shelling out $24k: slowing down, driving less, working from home, and car pooling are just a few. Things are slowly changing and it will probably take a generation of people before we can look back far enough to see how far we have come.</p>
<p>In a capitalist society, we are free to spend our money on what we believe in at a price that in the end we agree with. If you think that the O&#8217;Bon pencil is great for the statement it makes, for the process used to produce it, and for its overall attractiveness then that is fantastic. You should indeed support the company through your purchases. It keeps the economy moving. Seriously. All I am saying is that I personally don&#8217;t believe it, I don&#8217;t agree with the price ($0.50 each + S&amp;H), and I question/doubt the validity of their claims. That&#8217;s all. If someone gifted me the pencils it&#8217;s not like I would throw them away or get an upset stomach.</p>
<p>Seriously, to truly eliminate waste in a pencil sense, we should simply switch over to mechanical pencils and take care of them for 10-15 years. That could be a &#8220;significant step&#8221; as addressed by ProudOBONConsumer and Senator Kerry. Gone would be the trillions of wooden pencils produced every year around the world. Yet, here we are&#8230;</p>
<p>So yes, the debate will continue in more areas than just O&#8217;Bon&#8217;s pencils. :-)</p>
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